Exploitation of women?

[peach]

Okay, I only bring this up because I have seen these Ron Jeremy flyers all over the place.
And I heard from some people that this is to celebrate the opening of Musab’s and LL’s
porn websites. I just wanted to ask these two men, or anyone for that matter. What do you think the exploitation of women is? And do you think that opening up such sites like this is a disrespectful to women? And is exploitation?
I’m kinda disappointed that these two important figures in our hip-hop community is doing and supporting something like this. :(

[xcaliber]

graemlins/bandit.gif Porn is good graemlins/bandit.gif

[cheetah]

I see your point of view and I have my own thoughts on porn. What I do know about Musab is that he is into promoting safe/healthy sex. This is a good thing expecially when you are putting porno out there. At least he's being responsible.

I've had conversations with him and I guess I don't think this is a simple thing to justify. I do know that he feels like a woman who is ok with her sexuality is good. A lot of us have been taught otherwise - and there are these 2 extremes. The good girl and the bad girl - and no girl in between.

I'm not into porn and never have been but I'm not going to take it personal that people I know are - and are going as far as putting up a website on it. Women are choosing to take up the profession (which is an entirely different problem) and they are going into it knowing.

Don't sweat it so much. Maybe you can talk to LL and Musab about it. I'm betting that they are both open to discussing it.

[imported_Dj_Pseudonym]

I'm sure everyone gets paid. It's totally natural to enjoy looking @ naked bodies. What's the problem?
-PSE

[cheetah]

I agree. But here's the problem. Women are taught to hide their sexuality and if they see other women who don't hide it they automatically think that they are sluts, or whatever the term for the day is.

Women's sexuality has been repressed - so this is hard for some women. And to be honest, porn can exploit people. It all depends on how it's done.

You gotta try and look at it from all sides. I think that women spend a lot of time trying to please other people instead of themselves. And I think you should do what feels right for you.

[Clark Bent]

look...women have their own minds an they can think fer themselves. some women like a whole lot of sex an dont care what anyone else thinks about that, so they get inta porn an get paid ta have sex, coooool. some many women these days are doing things ta get paid that involve their sexuality or they bodies, thats becomin their hustle. dont hate, congradulate. leave people be who an what they want. if you dont like it, fine, but dont push yer agendas on everyone else.

[Clark Bent]

i forgot ta say this....

lars an musab....DO YA THANG HOMIES!

[star]

Admit it women. Every women in their life has thought about doing one of the following:
A. Porn
B. Strip
C. Escort
If you went through with it or not. Thats your choice. But every women has thought about at least once in her lifetime. And if she said she hasn’t then she is lying.
Personally, I dont see anything bad with it. I would just never do it. Because I am too self
conscious of my body and dont think I would be good enough. But I dont hate on it at all. I enjoy looking at Playboys and Maxims.

[cheetah]

I don't think the "damn girl" is hating. I think she is disappointed. And just like it's your right to feel the way you do...it is also her right to feel the way she does.

There is a very fine line between exploitation and expression. Unfortunately, women are often the victims of exploitation. Let's not forget that either.

I think that "damn girl" was putting this out to get other people's opinions on what she thought, not to be told to get over it and accept it. She doesn't have to accept it at all.

My 2 cents - has already been stated. I guess I don't really care either way (if there was or wasn't a local porn site put up by people I know)

I think we all gotta remember that sex is good, sex is normal, and being attracted to visual stimulation is natural. It's ok. SEXPRESS YOURSELF! Just be safe

[cheetah]

hey smoke breath cutie - I get your point. But don't you think that "thinking" about doing something and actually doing it are two entirely different things?

[Ronin]

So--I don't get it--

Are they just not making enough money in the rap game that they have to turn to porn to make a living?

Isn't Musab a founding member of the Rhymesayers? They're doing quite well from what I gather...

Aside from the potential for sexism, etc--doesn't his association with both the Rhymesayers and the porn site cheapen the image of the record label?

[Hype*]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:

Are they just not making enough money in the rap game that they have to turn to porn to make a living?
<hr></blockquote>

i speak for myself when i say...yes...
i make no money in the rap game...

i will type up my answers to Damn Girl a little later...

[Covered Wagon Chewbacca]

Aside from the potential for sexism, etc--doesn't his association with both the Rhymesayers and the porn site cheapen the image of the record label?[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, yes. Most people who hear this will begin to associate them with the rest of the sleaze in the porno industry.

Porn- I can take it or leave it. I'd be lying if I said I've never partaken (as an observer, not an actor ;) ). I don't think the problem here is really porn itself, but the way the majority of American society views sex and how it shapes the minds of children/teens to view sex as something "bad" or forbidden. The objectification of women is accepted in mainstream culture because millenia of religious repression have justified it for so many generations. Women couldn't even vote in this country until 1920. Things have progressed, but there is still a mass acceptance of sexism in American culture... I think that in order for that to be reversed, influence of religion (mainly Christianity) on culture at large needs to be separated or destroyed altogether.

My $0.02.

[naturalelement]

whts the oldst job in the book?? i dn't thnk it's gonna go away, an i dn't thnk it shld eithr.

howevr, i will say ths, thr is a hella mount of exploitation. grls bein 'sold' 4 a cpl hundred...4 days @ a time. i cn't evn imagine.

so if ur really concernd bout respect 4 females and exploitation, u shld really focus ur energies on those who really r.

personally, i knw tht whn i go out w/ a top showin off my tits, i'm gonna get mixed reviews. i knw ppl r gonna call me/thnk of me as a slut, but i cld really give a sht. i love bein a female an i love my assets an by no means feel like i'm exploiting myslf by puttn em out thr. i thnk MOST escorts, stripprs, nudies most likely feel the same way.

good luck w/ the r.j. party...i jst remmbrd tht my company party is the same nght an in bloomington. considrng my state of being @ last yrs party, i'm sure i wn't be leavin the place. bet ya thr r gonna b a ton of hot broads up in tht plc. t & a on the loooooose! graemlins/lol.gif

[cheeterio]

males are more inclined to be stimulated visually therefore more aft to visit a porn site. most females are more apt to mental and emotional stimulation therefore they see little to no need for such visualizations and have acutally been taught (as well as males) that porn is wrong so they have two negatives working against it in their mind. the fact of the matter is that certain religions have a very strong influence against it and have fueled a lot of misconceptions and maybe even might be the root of some fetishes (it's fun to break the rules, right?) some even feel threatened in relationships by it to an extent that it actually takes on an almost lifelike form becoming a constant source for needless shame in someone that is looking to express or variate themselves sexually instead of being held back for the sake of "fidelity".
to look at something like this as being exploitation is also one sided as there are plenty of females that love making and watching porn. it IS a shame that their ARE people being exploited for the sake of sex or money or both, but please don't pin that on porn. just as guns don't kill people, people kill people. oh yeah, males are doing porn as well and i hear nothing about them being exploited.
i just want to say that i appreciate damn girl's concern and that i am in no way trying to undermine it, just trying to spit my view of the whole situation.
either way, i think that if Musab, LL, or anybody for that matter wants to make a porn site, i'll be the first to say "hook me up with that addy"

[cheeterio]

if my reply seems long winded it's because it is

[dr]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:
So--I don't get it--

Isn't Musab a founding member of the Rhymesayers? They're doing quite well from what I gather...

Aside from the potential for sexism, etc--doesn't his association with both the Rhymesayers and the porn site cheapen the image of the record label?<hr></blockquote>

What a stupid judgment that was. First off, smart people will realize that Musab’s other activities and his Rhymesayers career are completely different.

If people have a problems with that and disown Rhymesayers or Musab, then I guess we really are a red state after all, stick in ass conservatives with there family values make me sick.

And who are you people to judge these two.
If they make money and beat the system.
Good for them. My hat is off to both of them. I will support them in any way by going to shows or logging on to websites.

Women have been exploiting men for years in life.
Pussy is power. And most women understand that. From free drinks to free college.
Women can get over a man anytime she wants too.
Only a strong man can reverse that shit.

[dr]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Covered Wagon Chewbacca:

Aside from the potential for sexism, etc--doesn't his association with both the Rhymesayers and the porn site cheapen the image of the record label?<hr></blockquote>

In my opinion, yes. Most people who hear this will begin to associate them with the rest of the sleaze in the porno industry.

[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking kidding me? You really think some backpacker from Omaha is going to stop buying E&A records because Musab has a porn site? You really think a backlash against the Rhymesayers will occur because Ron Jeremy is hosting a show with Musab and DJ Nikoless for that matter?

Please.

And what makes the porno industry so sleazy?

[Mr. Grouchface]

exploitation of women is prostitution and under age pornography.

pornography legally should have contracts that women & men sign off on statin that their images are going to be used. this isnt exploitation... its a contract, they know what they are getting into.

if you consider porn to be exploitation to women... its also exploitation to men, just as much.

[Covered Wagon Chewbacca]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Kill the Backpackers:


Are you fucking kidding me? You really think some backpacker from Omaha is going to stop buying E&A records because Musab has a porn site? You really think a backlash against the Rhymesayers will occur because Ron Jeremy is hosting a show with Musab and DJ Nikoless for that matter?

Please.

And what makes the porno industry so sleazy?<hr></blockquote>

Your assumption that I believe there's going to be a massive "backlash" against the RSE camp because of some porno site one of their members created is a bit hasty. I never said such a thing.

All I'm saying is that it adds an element of sleaze. Nothing but. Before you put words in my mouth, I suggest you read what I actually wrote instead of reading into it a little too hard. Those who know me will be the first to point out that I'm anything but a "stick in the ass conservative".

Props to LL for maintaining a wonderful resource for the TC hip hop community, and I own several Musab records and continue to support his live shows... whether I agree or not with what they are doing otherwise is another matter entirely. All I said was that I agreed with dude's opinion about cheapening their image. If you disagree, fine. I can live with that.

[Ronin]

Kill the Backpackers
quote:

"What a stupid judgment that was. First off, smart people will realize that Musab’s other activities and his Rhymesayers career are completely different.

If people have a problems with that and disown Rhymesayers or Musab, then I guess we really are a red state after all, stick in ass conservatives with there family values make me sick.

And who are you people to judge these two.
If they make money and beat the system.
Good for them. My hat is off to both of them. I will support them in any way by going to shows or logging on to websites.

Women have been exploiting men for years in life.
Pussy is power. And most women understand that. From free drinks to free college.
Women can get over a man anytime she wants too.
Only a strong man can reverse that shit."


Wow--a little defensive about porn, aren't you? Between that, and your insecurities about women, you must jerk-off A LOT.

It's funny that you actually buy into that "Red State-Blue State" hype as well. I thought that we were all just people with varying points-of-view. How quick you are to pigeonhole yourself.

Gullible chump.

You can make money honorably, or dishonorably. There is a valid reason that the mafia avoided the porn and drug industries...

[Hater Dave]

my 2 cents

If you dont like porn don't got to the website.

If you feel VERY stongly against porn go vist anti porn websites. OR start your own!!!!

I'm sure it is something these guys really thought about for a while and really had to plan for. I doubt it's easy to just start up a website. I bet it's even tougher to do a porn site so props to LL and Musab for being motivated and making something happen.

I hope people don't think this would reflect bad on RSE.

Would you hold a whole family accountable just because you don't agree with one family members actions?

[summer]

i think kill the backpackers was a little harsh but i see his points. i think nothing is wrong with porn. everyone has sex.

and i think Musab will still have his credibility intact.

glad to see a real topic was brought up for once.

[TMA]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Kill the Backpackers:

then I guess we really are a red state after all, stick in ass conservatives with there family values make me sick.

<hr></blockquote>

Really? I thought this state was blue, green and brown. Or the color Earth. I never knew we were Mars.

Interesting topic and then how KTB dragged political sides into this.
Get over it. Bush won.
Family values and War for everyone!

[Fourcharacters]

are the porn sites going to be free? ;)

[headphonestatic]

even if the porn site was affilated with Rhymesayers who gives a shit? whats wrong with labels branching off into other ventures...jay z has rocafella, LL & Musab got sluts....i'd go with sluts over shoes any day

[99Problems]

Some people use the noodle, some use the muscle. LL and Musab are using both for a beautiful Hustle. Sexy women make money, and these guys are simply cashing in on it. Would you haters be happier if they(LL and Musab) couldn't get paid & had to starve. This economy has been bullshit, and they're using their brains do make some mo-money. Ron Jeremy seems like a nice person, it should be fun to meet him. Did anyone see 'Ice Cube' volunteering at the Cookie Cutter in North Minneapolis? Hopefully he'll come back to the TwinTowns for a show. He's a gigantic figure in the hip-hop community who used any kind of hustle he could to get rich before he made it big with NWA. Isn't that the same sort of thing LL and Musab are doing?

[Ronin]

*Sigh*

Whatever. Those of us who actually have respect for women should just give up with these fools...

[macdreandhic]

Hey 99Problems, how original is that! Get off Jay-Z's nuts and smell the Minnesota snow. I've lived in Apple Valley my whole life and I don't need it to turn into a porno-drugie-fatasspornoman-that-sucks-his-own-weewee-land! Don't you appreciate good 'CLEAN' hip-hop and nature, you retard? Slug(From Atmosphere Track 18 hidden on Seven's Travels) even said the playground's here are clean from stems and syringes... That's how they should be. Maybe you want to wreck that, and the way to start is by saying Ron Jeremy is cool. What the heck does he have to do with hip-hop anywayz!! I've met LL and Musab before and I don't know why the heck they'd be associated with that fat loser. Nice theft from Talib Kweli too, you clepto. Ice Cube is from Compton stupid(get off his nuts too). Do you really think we need pron in Minnesota. Maybe Mr. LL and Mr. Musab should take their show to Compton if they wanna' have Ron (Porno Man) Jeremy's fatass hang out in their rain-drenched Compton Bars. We don't need that shit here, Minnesota is beautiful and it seems like they don't care if they wreck that.

CAN'T TOUCH THIS!

[elray]

i find it funny people are creating new accounts just to post on this topic.

[elray]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
and smell the Minnesota snow. I've lived in Apple Valley my whole life and I don't need it to turn into a porno-drugie-fatasspornoman-that-sucks-his-own-weewee-land! We don't need that shit here, Minnesota is beautiful and it seems like they don't care if they wreck that.

CAN'T TOUCH THIS!<hr></blockquote>

i never knew you could "smell snow" and you been outside there is less then a inch of snow on the ground anyway. and who said anything about wack ass apple valley? whos cares about that suburb hellhole. besides that shit is already here, ever been downtown minneapolis bub?

[macdreandhic]

Hey Mr. Smart-Guy. I've been downtown many times, but I don't think I've ever seen Ron Jeremy there. You must go to different smuthole bars than I do, as I get plenty of puss just goint to Brothers' or Lone-Tree. I've also been to the Vu and dream girls and I don't think I've seen that fatass or anyone else that sucks his own weewee. I know lots of people than could probably beat your ass

OUT

[macdreandhic]

Maybe you should see Coach Carter to see what heros is really like

[Captain]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
Hey Mr. Smart-Guy. I've been downtown many times, but I don't think I've ever seen Ron Jeremy there. You must go to different smuthole bars than I do, as I get plenty of puss just goint to Brothers' or Lone-Tree. I've also been to the Vu and dream girls and I don't think I've seen that fatass or anyone else that sucks his own weewee. I know lots of people than could probably beat your ass

OUT<hr></blockquote>

weak....internet threats=insecurity. Don't hide

[elray]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
I know lots of people than could probably beat your ass

OUT<hr></blockquote>

and thats real positive? your a trip.
who said anything about Ron being a hero?

[macdreandhic]

I said that because you probably think he is a hero if you're talking crap. I don't need to hide in my SUV like you probably have. And also I only use alcohol about once a month... U probably do more, but I wouldn't want to be a thug like you anyways. Ladies love me and I don't need to seduce them with porn and alcohol and RON JEREMY! Get back to the real issue: Why u wanna' bring that junk to Minnesota?

[hits]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
Don't you appreciate good 'CLEAN' hip-hop and nature, you retard? Slug(From Atmosphere Track 18 hidden on Seven's Travels) even said the playground's here are clean from stems and syringes...That's how they should be. Maybe you want to wreck that, and the way to start is by saying Ron Jeremy is cool. What the heck does he have to do with hip-hop anywayz!! I've met LL and Musab before and I don't know why the heck they'd be associated with that fat loser. Maybe Mr. LL and Mr. Musab should take their show to Compton if they wanna' have Ron (Porno Man) Jeremy's fatass hang out in their rain-drenched Compton Bars. We don't need that shit here, Minnesota is beautiful and it seems like they don't care if they wreck that.

CAN'T TOUCH THIS!<hr></blockquote>

Ha Ha. This has to be the most asinine post I have read on this board in quite some time.
Congratulations newbe. Pre-pare to get sonned by others new jack.

What makes Slug’s lyrics so clean? Ever listened to the Headshots tapes? Probably not because your a new jack. Shit was dirty. Probably to dirty for your Apple Valley virgin earholes. Learn some history on your gloryboy Slug and learn that he aint no saint. And thank the devil for that!

And the topic at hand was about the exploitation of women. Not Ron Jeremy.

And what does porn, Ron Jeremy and dirty Hip-Hop have to do with Minnesota and nature? You make it sound like these elements are going to reconstruct the polar ice caps and cause a revolutionary shift in our earth’s atmosphere.

And quit quoting MC Hammer. Talk about someone who killed Hip-Hop.

[elray]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
I said that because you probably think he is a hero if you're talking crap. I don't need to hide in my SUV like you probably have. And also I only use alcohol about once a month... U probably do more, but I wouldn't want to be a thug like you anyways. Ladies love me and I don't need to seduce them with porn and alcohol and RON JEREMY! Get back to the real issue: Why u wanna' bring that junk to Minnesota?<hr></blockquote>

i dont think he is a hero. and what are you talking about hiding in a SUV for? i drive a honda civic. you roll a SUV? you think that really helps nature since your on this nature talk? and who said anything about alcohol and getting ladies? stay on point chap.
and i am not bringin that junk to minnesota.
but i will be going to the show.

[macdreandhic]

yes, I have listened to headshots, It's on CD now, not just cassete you DINOSAUR. If you notice from listening to headshots, you will see that Slug is talking crap, but he sounds like he is just clowning and joking on the mic. Do you really think he gets with other peoples wives? Secondly, he has obviously 'grown-up' and learned how to make his music clean. I'm not saying that everyone should be like Mase, cause he's whack, but I'm just saying I don't think Slug would just associate himself with Ron Jeremy or porn. Slug talks about real life! And don't call me assinine if you think Mc Hammer didn't help structure hip-hop as it is today. Just because he didn't talk about banging your mom, doesn't mean he didn't create an interest where there might not be one. He was frequently on the Arsenio Hall show, and the real hammer came out, and he's not as whack as you claim. In fact he's probably more important to hip-hop than Rhymesayers...

"YOU SAY YOU'RE HITTING HARD, I SAY YOU'RE HARDLY HITTIN"

[hits]

Oh really its on CD now? No shit. Good call on that one Apple Valley. Who cares about the Arsino Hall show. Who cares about MC Hammer?.
I would like to know why you didn’t answer my question?

“And what does porn, Ron Jeremy and dirty Hip-Hop have to do with Minnesota and
nature?”

I would call you a ultra backpacker but your MC Hammer theory proved that wrong.

[macdreandhic]

what I meant by that is:

Bringing Ron Jeremy to Minnesota is basically saying, it's ok to open the porno floodgates. It's sortof saying that things like Porn and drugs and everything else people like 50 Cent talks about is ok now in Minnesota. Sorry you can't understand that but there are tons of conservatives in Minnesota that actually have values.

Nuff Said.

[BIZZLE]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by elray:
i find it funny people are creating new accounts just to post on this topic.<hr></blockquote>

graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/lol.gif elray...I sittin' here thinkin' the same thing....I wonder if anyone else sees this also!!! :confused: graemlins/lol.gif

[hits]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
what I meant by that is:

Bringing Ron Jeremy to Minnesota is basically saying, it's ok to open the porno floodgates. It's sortof saying that things like Porn and drugs and everything else people like 50 Cent talks about is ok now in Minnesota. Sorry you can't understand that but there are tons of conservatives in Minnesota that actually have values.

Nuff Said.<hr></blockquote>


So then VH-1 who had Ron Jeremy on the Surreal Life also contributes to the Minnesota Porn Flood Gates right? Why we are at it, lets bring up Girls Gone Wild? What about the 4 story building on 2nd Ave called Sexworld? How about MTV, BET and Viacom with there videos of have naked girls on all day? The floodgates for porn have been open for years now new jack. Girls who dance at your Loan Tree Bar wear slutarific outfits.
Does that contribute to the floodgates?

[Lera]

this has been the most entertaining post in quite some time.
my opinion on the matter. i see nothing wrong if a girl wants to make some extra money.
easy money at that. i have thought about stripping many times. especially now that i cant
find a full time job. if anything the women are expoliting men. by guys giving up there wallets just for a touch of a women.

[Carnage]

Appears to me that they are not being exploited against their wills! Musab & LL seem like opportunists to me....

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
yes, I have listened to headshots, It's on CD now, not just cassete you DINOSAUR. If you notice from listening to headshots, you will see that Slug is talking crap, but he sounds like he is just clowning and joking on the mic. Do you really think he gets with other peoples wives? Secondly, he has obviously 'grown-up' and learned how to make his music clean. I'm not saying that everyone should be like Mase, cause he's whack, but I'm just saying I don't think Slug would just associate himself with Ron Jeremy or porn. Slug talks about real life! And don't call me assinine if you think Mc Hammer didn't help structure hip-hop as it is today. Just because he didn't talk about banging your mom, doesn't mean he didn't create an interest where there might not be one. He was frequently on the Arsenio Hall show, and the real hammer came out, and he's not as whack as you claim. In fact he's probably more important to hip-hop than Rhymesayers...

"YOU SAY YOU'RE HITTING HARD, I SAY YOU'RE HARDLY HITTIN"<hr></blockquote>

Governor Pawlenty, I think it's great you're getting into hip-hop. But you don't have to use an alias.

a$

[pop]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:
*Sigh*

Whatever. Those of us who actually have respect for women should just give up with these fools...<hr></blockquote>

so you are saying that Musab and LL have no respect for women?

[hits]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
that fatass or anyone else that sucks his own weewee.<hr></blockquote>

Did you just say "weewee"?
Whats up with the kindergarten talk?
Are you that conservative you cant even type the word PENIS or DICK?

[Ronin]

No--well, I dunno, maybe.

Look, I'm not trying to judge. I enjoy breasteses as much as the next guy, but enjoying porn, and creating porn are two VERY different issues.

All I'm trying to say is that the whole "make money by any means necessary" mindset is EXACTLY what is fucking up Hip-Hop, and this country for that matter.

Hip-hop used to have ethics. I'm just lamenting the loss of ethics, that's all. graemlins/fight.gif

[pop]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:

All I'm trying to say is that the whole "make money by any means necessary" mindset is EXACTLY what is fucking up Hip-Hop, and this country for that matter.

Hip-hop used to have ethics. I'm just lamenting the loss of ethics, that's all. graemlins/fight.gif <hr></blockquote>

but whats porn have to do with hip-hop? still dont understand why people keep brining
Rhymesayers, Slug's lyrics, mother Earth and Hip-Hop into this discussion.

[macdreandhic]

It's funny that you should call me Tim Pawlenty. I bet you could probably learn a thing or two from him. He has cut taxes and kept St. Paul safe from 'player haters'. Hopefully he can set up a rally to stop the porn of Ron Jeremy at the Triples Rocks. Thanks for bringing his name up, maybe I'll give him a jingle tomorrow. What time is the porno show starting(or should I say scheduled to start)? :]

[headphonestatic]

is his name mac dre and hi-c? like those 2 guys are "clean" rappers...you're a faggot

[dr]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
It's funny that you should call me Tim Pawlenty. I bet you could probably learn a thing or two from him. He has cut taxes and kept St. Paul safe from 'player haters'. Hopefully he can set up a rally to stop the porn of Ron Jeremy at the Triples Rocks. Thanks for bringing his name up, maybe I'll give him a jingle tomorrow. What time is the porno show starting(or should I say scheduled to start)? :]<hr></blockquote>

Yo jackass. Get your facts right.
How does the State governor keep St.Paul safe?
Or are you thinking of Randy Kelly?
Either way your a moran.

And its Triple Rock. Not Triples Rocks.

As far as Pawlenty tax cuts. Shit is false.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty regularly touts his “No New Taxes” pledge and his “no tax” budget.
But what he doesn’t tell you is that instead he will charge Minnesota citizens and businesses more everyday in fee increases that will affect every man, woman and child.
In his “no new taxes’ budget, the governor creates or raises 56 “fees.” If you drive a car,
your plates and license tab fees will go up. If you have parents or relatives in a nursing
home, they will pay an additional daily surcharge. Insurance premiums will go up, and so
will bus fares. There is even a gambling tax “fee,” but apparently that’s not classified as a tax under the governor’s budget. A good many of the fee increases he imposes hit rural
Minnesota hard - particularly farmers, rural landowners, and Main Street businesses and
tourist attractions that bring needed economic development dollars to rural Minnesota.
Camping fees will increase, meaning it will cost families more just to take in the great
outdoors in Minnesota.
The governor also cuts early childhood education funding by 50 percent, meaning the fees that young families will have to pay for early childhood programs could double or triple.
Many school districts have said they will simply have to cut programs because the fee increases will be too much for families to bear.
Add to this the fact that it is very likely that local property taxes, particularly in rural
Minnesota, will rise dramatically. But, according to the metro-based Taxpayers League,
the governor never promised not to raise property taxes.
In total, new fees imposed by the governor would increase costs to Minnesotans a total of
$458 million the next two years. That’s not counting the property tax increases he won’t
acknowledge.
Here’s a small sampling of the fees the governor increases or proposes in his budget:
• License fee increase - $2.7 million
• Dairy processor fee increase - $570,000
• State park camping fee increase - $1.4 million
• Watercraft license surcharge - $820,000
• Commercial fishing license fee increase - $545,000
• Water-quality permit fee increase - $7 million
The governor even creates a special entrance fee that elementary schoolchildren will have
to pay for admission to the Minnesota Zoo ($430,000).

Is a fee a tax? No matter how you answer that question, the governor’s budget will affect your wallet.

Now that I schooled you on the politics of Tim Pawlenty. Keep your mouth shut.

[dr]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:

Wow--a little defensive about porn, aren't you? Between that, and your insecurities about women, you must jerk-off A LOT.

You can make money honorably, or dishonorably. There is a valid reason that the mafia avoided the porn and drug industries...<hr></blockquote>

Real mature coming back with a JERK-OFF comment.
The reason I am defensive is because of conservative people shitting on peoples hard
work and ideas just because it doesn’t fit the presidents and the churches views as “family
values” or what’s right and wrong. I used to own a hard-core record shop and got shut down because of people like this. So forgive me if I am a little biter about these people.

And you must be as blind as Steve Wonder to think that the Mafia and other organized crime units are not in bed with the porn and drug industries. Where do you think they make there money then, restaurants?

[McBain]

McBain thinks that porn is good. McBain doesn't get why it "exploites" women though? Please explain.

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ronin:

All I'm trying to say is that the whole "make money by any means necessary" mindset is EXACTLY what is fucking up Hip-Hop, and this country for that matter.

Hip-hop used to have ethics. I'm just lamenting the loss of ethics, that's all. graemlins/fight.gif <hr></blockquote>

Really? When?
Just out of curiousity-really, I'm not trying to dis you-how old are you?

[Covered Wagon Chewbacca]

This has gotta be one of my favorite threads in a long time...

DU is a lot like high school:

You got your smart kids.
You got your dumb kids who talk a lot.
Then you have the kids who sit in the back and occasionally say something funny.

[PuertoRockUno]

And what are the ethics that we "lost"?

The porn industry is far from the music industry. Actually, they're pretty opposite.
So what if people are trying to make a hustle? Stop knocking it.
Like Hater Dave said, if you don't like it, don't support it, straight up.
And ya'll are acting like there isn't any sleaze in St. Paul / Minneapolis. I could easily find $40 and find a good time on lake and chicago or frogtown at any time.
It's been that way, for a long time now.
Ron Jeremy, LL, Musab, Rhymesayers, Nature, Headshots Tapes, Apple Valley, SUVs and Politics have nothing to do with what woman want to do with theirselves. Peep Moulin Rouge.

[Dirtay Postmistress]

i don't know if i am the right person to talk to on this...because on the topic of sex...it's fun to joke around but i think it should be private...bringing porn into a successful record label may bring negative attention to it...at least for me or other females..i would say most females don't agree with it...

let me just say one thing...there is plenty of ways to make money without becoming sleazy.

[squire]

Here is what I don't get...Its called freewill, the women Lars and Mus are dealing with are as willing of participants as they are(the reasons they do it, for money, self esteem, or whatever, is irrelevant). To try to criticize how they chose to make money and live their lives is just not our place, your entitled to your opinion, but I think anybody who acts like this is going to end the world needs to get a grip. I don't see Lars and Mus running up behind you at work and yelling you being exploited by corporate america, or the government, or whereever you work. I'm guessing a large number of people on here are sitting in cubes right now, yall are the ones really being exploited. Besides that, porn actors have been coming to the cities for YEARS, and if you think lars, Mus, and Ron Jeremy at the Triple Rock is going to open the flood gates to porn in MN, you are way out of touch with the state of things in MN, and maybe you should stay on the sidelines for this one.

[Afroteck]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by squire:
Besides that, porn actors have been coming to the cities for YEARS, and if you think lars, Mus, and Ron Jeremy at the Triple Rock is going to open the flood gates to porn in MN, you are way out of touch with the state of things in MN, and maybe you should stay on the sidelines for this one.<hr></blockquote>

Well put. People are acting like Minnesota is some holy ground and Ron Jeremy is going to curse
the grounds of Nicollet Mall or something. Minnesota is not nice. Open your eyes.

[Carnage]

MN has a CLEAN and politically correct, lilly-white image, nice and accepting of all differences, but that shit is fake! MN Nice is NOT a total reality!! It's more like MN fake, and this is not the only time shit like this will happen here. These women are participating on their own, nobody is forcing them, it's not exploitation....Freedom of expression, don't like it, do go to it...Now bring on the porn!

[Afroteck]

I want to know who this macdreandhic is.
For someone to bring the song "shhhh" into the discussion and soil his holy grounds of
Brothers and Lone Tree (nice places btw :rolleyes: ) just because Ron Jeremy is in town?
I think we found a new Sniaph in this kid. He really has potential to be one of the great
dumbasses of our time on this message board.

[imported_Dj_Pseudonym]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
It's funny that you should call me Tim Pawlenty. I bet you could probably learn a thing or two from him. He has cut taxes and kept St. Paul safe from 'player haters'... <hr></blockquote>

Yep good ol Timmmy P. keeping the "player haters" off the streets. Is this kid for real?
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
-PSE

[Will]

what up family? people are getting upset cuz they hatin on some true playaz.....lars and
musab are about to put shit on lock graemlins/headphones.gif ....and you know im going for the ride also cuzo!....
these fools wont say nothing to yalls face... graemlins/fight.gif cuz they know they cant mess with smilecorp fam....ride or die!
graemlins/bandit.gif graemlins/headphones.gif graemlins/flame.gif

[Suburban Hipster]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Afroteck:
I want to know who this macdreandhic is.
<hr></blockquote>

Yo, that boy is my homedog, son. Don't disrespect the realness. We keep shit on lock out here in da burbs.

4 real doh, Slug is the realest MC in the game today.

Emo-hop 4 LIFE!

DJs and beatmakers dat want ta connect get at me cuz my Soundclick page is ready to blow up the spizzot.

[defone]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Pseudonym:


Yep good ol Timmmy P. keeping the "player haters" off the streets. Is this kid for real?
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
-PSE<hr></blockquote>

graemlins/lol.gif Ya those damn player haters have been a problem in St.Paul for some years now.
Bout time someone stepped up to the challenge and took em down!

[annanicolesmith]

"Want a Viper?"
"Want some money?"
"Want to play?"
"Like my body?"

[annanicolesmith]

Oh, and my lawyer is not exploiting me. He is MY boy toy damn it!

[Hype*]

CLICK HERE TO READ OUR REPLY...... (http://www.dunation.com/boards/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002302)

otherwise either go to the show and have fun...
or shut your mouth and hate from the sidelines...

[KamStayOnHisGrownManShit]

OK I GUESS ITS MY TIME TO BRING CLARITY TO THE SUBJECT. DAMN GURL I UNDERSTAND COMING FROM A WOMANS POINT OF VIEW THAT YES THE PORN INDUSTRY IN YEARS PREVIOUS USED(WOMEN) FOR EXPLOITATION. NOW TO WHOEVERS QUESTION ABOUT WILL IT REFLECT ON MUSAB AND LL AS PEOPLE THEY ARE AS THEMSELVES AND THE COMPANIES. THE ANSWER IS YES! BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS TO DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT. PEOPLE GOTTA CONSIDER. ONE IS THE BEAUTIFUL HUSTLE! YES IT IS ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE TO YOUNG MEN MAKE MOVES TO ADD ANOTHER FINAICIAL AVENUE FOR THEM TO EXPLORE. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND A POINT TO CONSIDER IS THE BEAUTIFUL STRUGGLE THAT I THINK DAMN GURL IS REFERENCING TO. MEANING THAT WITH ALL THE NEGATIVITY THAT HIP HOP BRINGS BY ITSELF IS IT WORTH IT TO EXPOSE YOURSELF HIP HOP TO THE BAD LIME LIGHT. I KNOW THAT BOTH MUSAB AND LARS HAVE HOPEFULLY LOOKED AT BOTH ASPECTS INTENSLY. AND THE UNDERSTAND THE PAY OFF AND GREAT RISK THEY ARE BRINGIN THEMSELVES. EASILYA BOYCOTT OF RYHMESAYERS AND DUNATION COULD HAPPEN. AND OTHER JUVINILE ACTS COULD HAPPEN. AND IF THEY CAN DEAL WITH THAT MORE POWER TO THEM. NOW THE WAY YOU SHOULD FOLLOW UP WITH JUST LIKE CHEETAH DID IS BY SHOWING YOUR BLESSING. AND SUGGESTING THAT THEY DONT FOLLOW THE FOOTSTEPS OF THOSE BEFORE THEM AND DO THE SITE AS RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THROUGH THE MANNER THAT I'VE SEEN LARS AND MUSAB HANDLE DIFFERENT SITUATION I KNOW THAT THE SITES WILL BE TASTEFUL AND HANDLED ACCORDINGLY. I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK THAT NOBODY HERE IN THE MINNESOTA HIP HOP SCENE IS WILLING TO TAKE.BECAUSE TOMMORROW YALL HIP HOP HEADS WILL BE IN DISGUST BUT WILL YIELD THEM AS YOUR HEROES ONCE MORE. CONGRADULATING THEM ON A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. THAT IT MUSAB WE DEFINATELY GOT TO DO A TRACK HOLLA BACK AT ME DAWG.
SMARTZ

[6Souls]

^you forgot to use bold type, it comes across better.


This is a cool idea for a show, kinda like those porn star/hip hop & electronia comps that have come out over the past few years. Now i am not a fan of Ron as "actor", but more of a cult anti-hero. He stands for good things and pisses off ppl whom are against these good things. I'm all about pleasure completely against absence. Teach them kids how to fuck in school, the only way to break the chain of old and lonely virgins.


*Interesting & True Fact*

In England, Oral sex was taught to school kids as early as 2nd grade as a way to keep them from having sex as young adults and to potentially lower the growing pregnantcy rate.

[Hype*]

you know what, im just going to post it in this thread also...cuz i know ONE of the people who posted on this topic dont even know how to work a computer or click a fucking link button...
so here....

---------------
Musab and I are posting this in response to the Exploitation of Women post...
First off lets start with what we are about and what we are trying to do with these websites:

There are many different types of porn.
And we would like to classify ourselves in the Adult Entertainment catagory. You talk about sleaze in the porn industry? We are not aiming our audience or subject manner towards the sleaze part of the Adult Industry. We are inspired by Playboyish type lifestyle and clean, classy and insightfull subjects and women.
If you want to go after sleaze, you got Hustler for that or your barnyard backdoor websites.
We are bringing something to this area that has never been tapped before. A professional, classy approach to this scene we have here in Minnesota. If anything we are help cleaning up the industry in this town. The reason we started or are getting involved is to see Adult Entertainment done the way we want it to be done.
Its also a webzine not just a porn site. There will be political, educational and areas of interest in the topic of sex and relationships.
For example, the Punk scene supports Suicide Girls and most of you do also. So we should see no problem with the hip-hop community supporting something we are starting. For right now we want to thank everyone who has supported us so far. You know who you are.

Second: The assocation with RSE and us.
RHYMESAYERS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MNSLICKS AND MNNUDE! Except for the fact that Musab is the co-founder of Rhymesayers and has friends on the label. Though Musab's friends on RSE support him and his side ventures. And that Lars works closely with RSE at some times. Music and Adult Entertainment are two different businesses. Dunation.com has nothing to do with MNSlicks and Minnesota Nude. Those of you look abroad know nothing about the friendship between Musab and Sean and are out of line for even bringing him into this subject. And thank you for supporting Rhymesayers and the true fans will continue to do so.

Third: Message to Hypocritics...

Americans spend more money on Adult Entertainment a year then professional sports.
Adult Entertainment is a 10 BILLION dollar a year business. And is a legitimate business and source of income for over 50,000 + americans who are anything from a Adult actor, lawyer, director, webmaster, columnists, publishers, make-up artists, shop owners, distributors, dancers and escorts.
In the year 2005 exploitation is done at ones own will. Wether you choose to snap nude photos of yourself or wear a McDonald's uniform. Its all coporate business and exploitation. Every business exploits its own employees. All of us are exploited to some degree. Every man, women and child are caught into the clutches of capitolism. Is it right? Dont matter. Its the way it is.
Some of you are trying to make us to be child smut peddlers or head masters of a concubine. We are forceing no one to participate and feel offended that in this day and age we have to subject ourselves to answer that question.
Women make up there own minds and do what they want. The thought that a women can even be exploited or put in this postion against her own will is old fashioned and puritanistic.
This is America not Thailand.
It surprises us to see the ignorance some of you have shown towards the Adult Entertainment industry. The Sate of Minnesota has produced many porn stars and personalities and has porn star attractions bi-weekley since the late 80's.
One of the major distributors of porn in the world is based and founded in St.Louis Park by a Minnesotan. 2 out 5 playmates are from Minnesota or the Midwest region. The famous Dahm triplets hail from the Twin Cities area. Minnesota has had its footprint in porn for years and years.
And so has the mafia. Who do you think distributes kiddie porn and heroin. Runs all the underground saunas and incall services. From the East to the West Coast. Lucky Luciano was the biggest pimp ever. Thats how he made his fortune.
Porn doesnt fuck up nature, SUV's and Power Plants do. Sex is nature. We respect women enough to not judge them with the decisions they make in life. We dont respect men, we dont respect women we respect people and the choices they make in there life. Wether you shop at Marshall Fields or St.Sabrinas.
Honor in life is staying true to who you are and what you do regardless of who criticizes you about it. Alot of Americans jack off to porn in one hand and push it away with the other. We are not here to be crusaders for porn, that war was won by the Adult industry a long time ago.
We like to thank those who support us and those who confront us in person with there issues.
And we hope to see yall Saturday at FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, we are going to have a blast!

Musab and Lars....

Thank You...

[CRY]

I don't really think RSE has anything to do with this, and I definitley didn't want to continue bringing people into this that aren't involved in the issue, but my sarcastic streak and inner child simply couldn't resist on this one...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by macdreandhic:
I don't think Slug would just associate himself with Ron Jeremy or porn. <hr></blockquote>

Being such an advocate of Slug's morality and music, I would think you would've noticed that SLUG HAD A RON JEREMY CAMEO ON SAD CLOWN BAD DUB 7, jackass! That's just one out of 100 reasons I want to slap you in the mouth.

There. I feel better now.

[Fourcharacters]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> DU is a lot like high school:

You got your smart kids.
You got your dumb kids who talk a lot.
Then you have the kids who sit in the back and occasionally say something funny.
<hr></blockquote> graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif

and for macanddrehic, don't bring all this beef back to one of slugs tracks. you don't have to take everything one talks about in a hip hop song so literally.

[MLE]

This thread totally made my day (especially the last three posts). LL, I'll be at the show. I wouldn't miss this shit for the world.