10 Codes of Ethics for White People in Hip Hop

[Souled Out]

thought this was interesting. check in out

WHITE LIKE ME
10 Codes of Ethics for White People in Hip Hop
by J-Love

This is written by a white person, intended for white people who are engaged in the culture of Hip-Hop. It is created in the spirit of personal and collective growth and development for white people who choose to live by the cultural standards of Hip-Hop. White people are talked about a lot within Hip-Hop in terms of who buys the most records, who controls the industry, the white kids in the burbs who go crazy over it, even white artists who have made it despite their whiteness. But rarely is there talk of how white people affect Hip-Hop, and how Hip-Hop affects us. What are the roles and responsibilities of whites involved in this cultural movement? Have we merely self-imposed ourselves into a culture which doesn’t want or need us?

It is time for white folk to stand up and be bold in the dialogue of race and culture, to push the relatively mild interpretations on how and in which way we fit, or don’t fit. Check this 10 point code of ethics for white Hip-Hop heads and see if you can get down with this. Code of Ethics

1. Be aware of your whiteness;
As simple as it may sound, it seems as if many white folks down with Hip-Hop try to avoid the fact that they are white, at all costs. This must stop. Acknowledging your whiteness is an important step in recognizing that regardless of who you are as a person, we come from a lineage steeped in racism and white supremacy. We come from an ancestry of oppression, who’s legacy still lives and breaths in the form of institutionalized racism and countless social and economic injustices. This is what we come from, and that we cannot change. What we can change is what we do about it.

2. Be conscious of your unearned privilege;
We carry around a *backpack of free hook-ups that we have done nothing to earn. From it we extract a set of VIP passes, gold credit cards, universal passports, and blank checks, all of which gives us more power, more open doors, an unfair advantage *(This concept was originated by Peggy Macintosh and is widely used to break down white privilege). Your skin color is an asset in this world. The more you understand this concept that better you will be at negotiating that power and, as much as possible, figuring out a way to end its’ unfairness.

3. Be deliberate in your role as an ally;
An ally means that you participate as a supporter in a movement; you are aware of the ways in which your privilege undermines indigenous leadership, and in understanding that, actively advocates for indigenous leadership ( even if that doesn’t mean you). An ally is someone who lends resources, and who understand their personal goals in the context of a cultural-historical struggle for self determination. White people are allies within hip-hop culture. Let’s work toward leadership that reflects the cultures and communities where it was born. That doesn’t mean that we can’t be active and feel invested in the culture, but we must be aware of how racism plays out in the power paradigm of America, and how it is controlling Hip-Hop culture.

4. Be knowledgeable of the history of the culture;
As with any part of our lives, knowledge, wisdom and understanding are the pillars of self and community enlightenment. It is imperative that you study Hip-Hop culture as you would study your own culture, in order to better understand who you are, where you come from, and where you are going. Precisely because we are coming into a culture that was originated by people of color, it is on us to learn and become knowledgeable of Hip-Hop history.

5. Be open to being educated by others;
When you’re secure about yourself, you’re more open to acknowledging things you don’t know, or have questions about, or ideas that warrant a good discussion. Listen to what other people have to say about Hip-Hop, and be in the mindset of appreciating new or different information from varying sources. The information you know about Hip-Hop is not stagnant. The lessons are infinite.

6. Be open to educating other white folks;
White people don’t always feel like they have an obligation to talk about issues of race and privilege with other white people. However the education and exchange is most critical amongst white people who have the power to create change in the industry and in everyday life. Help white people in power positions to understand the reasons why Hip-Hop exists in the first place; why it’s so important in your life, how it relates, or doesn’t relate to your life experiences. Be confident in your expression of self, and push for the very conversations people try to hide behind.

7. Use your skin privilege to benefit the culture;
In this world because of your whiteness you have access to almost anything, and you didn’t have to do anything to get this access. So use the juice that you have to lend support to the culture, any which way you can. Whether it be connections, money, negotiating with folks that won’t feel as threatened talking to you because you’re white, or becoming a cultural interpreter, whatever is needed to benefit your community.

8. Pay homage to the originators of the culture;
Once you learn the history of Hip-Hop it is your responsibility to speak on it, educate others, and consistently give props where props are due. One reason why some white folks may not want to do this is because it further magnifies the point that they had nothing to do with creating Hip-Hop. Not that white people haven’t contributed to Hip-Hop since its’ birth, but its’ inception was purely melanin related. So when your in your ciphers, whatever that looks like to you, talk history, pay respect to the creators of the culture your living.

9. Don’t think you are the exception to the rule;
YOU ARE NOT THE COOLEST WHITE PERSON IN THE WORLD! (By the way, this code relates to me also) You are not so different and unique as to warrant a special ‘cool white person’ pass. Are you still trying to be the ONLY white person in the crew? Do you feel animosity when other ‘cool’ white kids come around and deflate your ego? Do yourself a favor, instead of trying to diss that other white kid, explaining how they fake or whatever, maybe your should take the time to connect with someone who may be similar in some ways to you. Don‘t push them away or be ashamed, build with them and see them as part of a community within a community.

10. If you can’t abide by the codes, get out;
Nuff said.

It is up to each individual to read and digest this 10 point code of ethics. If you find yourself getting angry, upset, or uncomfortable at what you read, then know that you are in a good space. It’s uncomfortable to look at yourself and deal with the ugly realities of the origination of the ‘isms’ and realize that you are inseparable from them. That your skin symbolizes the color of blood and betrayal for colonized people around the world. Stay in the feeling of dis-comfort, for it is in that very feeling that you will find your truth pushing you toward transformation. This is not about feeling guilty. It is about acknowledgement, acceptance, and action. Take your place in Hip-Hop, but do it with consciousness and integrity, for only then can you really call it your own.

Peace
. written by J-Love

[RACISM MAN]

completely agree, white folks take heed and dont be ashamed to connect wit this.

[JayBeeHitIt]

didn't read it - faggotry.

[TRON FANON]

that's definately no surprise...it's funny because you're pretty much in violation of every single point

ps: shit is legitimate, good looking out 'Souled Out'/'J-Love'

[imported_Dj_Pseudonym]

I love that in another post Alib said he was gonna stop w/this beef (again) but here we are.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
-PSE

[FranzDiego]

no joke, i also completely agree with this.

[TRON FANON]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Pseudonym:
I love that in another post Alib said he was gonna stop w/this beef (again) but here we are.
graemlins/lol.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
-PSE<hr></blockquote>

this isn't a continuation of beef...beef never existed in the first place that was amusement

this is merely me sharing my honest opinion on the matter and i have an infinite right to do so...

i'm sorry i can't serve your voyeuristic interest in the 'beef' anymore, but i'm just speaking my mind now, take it how you want, i guess

everyone needs to just chill the fuck out and not worry about me, 'beef' or any of that dumb shit

[TRON FANON]

but it's looking like i'm never gonna escape y'all silly appetite for dumb shit huh? and then y'all wanna tell me that this shit annoys y'all...

just give it up and don't bring it up...shit's dead on my end (matter of fact: it never lived), kill it on yours

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Souled Out:
thought this was interesting. check in out

WHITE LIKE ME

This is written by a white person, intended for white people who are engaged in the culture of Hip-Hop. It is created in the spirit of personal and collective growth and development for white people who choose to live by the cultural standards of Hip-Hop. White people are talked about a lot within Hip-Hop in terms of who buys the most records, who controls the industry, the white kids in the burbs who go crazy over it, even white artists who have made it despite their whiteness. But rarely is there talk of how white people affect Hip-Hop, and how Hip-Hop affects us. What are the roles and responsibilities of whites involved in this cultural movement? Have we merely self-imposed ourselves into a culture which doesn’t want or need us?

It is time for white folk to stand up and be bold in the dialogue of race and culture, to push the relatively mild interpretations on how and in which way we fit, or don’t fit.

This is not about feeling guilty. It is about acknowledgement, acceptance, and action. Take your place in Hip-Hop, but do it with consciousness and integrity, for only then can you really call it your own.
<hr></blockquote>

Most of this is

http://www.floridagame.com/hunting/grafx/pointer.jpg

on point.

But I'm curious what the "cultural standards" of hip-hop are: selfishness? humility? "unity"? leftism? big clothes? homophobia? exclusion? inclusion?

What's up with that?

a$

[ July 24, 2004: Message edited by: Aaron Money ]</p>

[bobbybrewski]

whatever happened to just being true to yourself?

knowledge of self anyone?

[bobbybrewski]

I didn't read this either...but I know what it will say. Be aware of yourself and all that shit...which is what we as humans, HUMANS, should be fuckin doin any fuckin way!

[RACISM MAN]

i dont want to be bustin anybody out, but I beleive the article was written for white people like you and jb. Its cool and fun to say that we are all humans and thats all that we SHOULD be judged on, but the reality of that is SKIN COLOR MATTERS AND YOU CANNOT ESCAPE IT. You should be aware as a human and be aware as a white person, because to think that you do not have priveleges solely for being white is naive and ignorant.
peace and love

[headphonestatic]

white people smell like hot dog water

[Carnage]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aaron Money:


Most of this is

http://www.floridagame.com/hunting/grafx/pointer.jpg

on point.

But I'm curious what the "cultural standards" of hip-hop are: selfishness? humility? "unity"? leftism? big clothes? homophobia? exclusion? inclusion?

What's up with that?

a$

[ July 24, 2004: Message edited by: Aaron Money ]<hr></blockquote>

Damn, don't front y'all, THIS POST IS ON POINT!

I also must point out that whatever cultural standards people wanna attribute to Hip Hop or stigmatize it for, it is not unlike any other culture or institution that was created by man; it carries and manifests many flaws, exhibits multiple contridictions, and is in no way perfect. It's really no different from, say, religion, which is sooooo highly regarded by many people as the key to spiritual longevity and the only means by which one can exist with virtue, but decorated with MANY inconsistancies and shitloads of evil constituents. I can't stand when people point of the negative appendages of Hip Hop, but choose not to acknowledge what splendor it represents. Hip Hop is inclusive, exclusive, loving, hate-driven, excepting of difference, homophobic, unifying, and many other oxymoronical & parodoxical adjectives, but it is a beautiful thing that should by regarded highly as it is excepted for it's goods and bads. It's man-made.

[Sarah]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aaron Money:
http://www.floridagame.com/hunting/grafx/pointer.jpg<hr></blockquote>

^^that looks like my dog that died when I was 14, she was also 14 and my other dog in the same breed is 13 and blind so he won't be lasting much longer, i want a new puppy to make me happy...

anyways i just skimmed through it. i'm white and listen to hip hop and have never really cared what i do or what people think of me but most of the people who know me or have met me can see that i'm just being myself and that i have lots of love and respect for hip hop as a complete artform. it just sucks that some people have to be reminded not to take things for granted, be mindful of things that they do or have respect for things; be it religion, differences, and even hip hop culture... but sometime i don't know what i'm talking about so you all can probably just disregard al of my rambling since i didn't get any sleep last night and have been at work since 4am... peace...

[Blatant]

im sorry, but that shits dumb.

whoever wrote that is probly just tryin to get props for having written it.

first of all, color only matters to those who choose for it to matter to them.

second of all, people need to learn some world history. people opress people period. white people have opressed white people, white people have opressed colored peoples, colored peoples have opress colored peoples and so and so on. humans are humans, and humans do horrible things. humans also do a lot of good things too.

the world didnt start with america people.

[CRY]

Oh shit!
Gaytant is back! And he's STILL saying some dumb shit!
You are an ignorant and oblivious motherfucker.
I can assume from your response that you're white, and you take that privelege for granted. So this article is trying to reach out to motherfuckers like you. Too bad you wrote it off instead of letting it sink in.

[ July 25, 2004: Message edited by: Cry Me A River ]</p>

[RACISM MAN]

blatant: your blatant use of the term "colored people" has already shown your ignorance of race relations. if "color only matters to those who choose for it to matter to them" then how do you explain racism, slavery, genocide. etc. are people who get killed choosing to get killed because they want to? i mos definitely think not. what about that nice young black male who is just as qualified as the rest of the white folks appling for the job and because of "racial complications" your telling me that he chooses to not get hired? a likely story. READ THE ARTICLE! what the fuck is the problem, all the white kids is like "I just skimmed the article, that shit is stupid, yeah whatever I dont really think race matters" this shit is sickening, this is why white people still are getting beat at hood shows or are afraid to go to them or even have them, yall dont want to beleive that yall got privelege! yes people oppress people, what is YOUR point?

[CRY]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RACISM MAN:
all the white kids is like "I just skimmed the article..."<hr></blockquote>

Whoa, whoa...
Hold up now. Not all of 'em.

[RACISM MAN]

my bad river, your right. its just when you get mad you thinkin real fast, good lookin out.

[Blatant]

i was speaking in the same terms as the author of the article.

i know i have "white" privelages, when did i say i didnt?

there is also such a thing as "balck" privelages.

race does matter in some cases, but guess what? "black" insnt a race, neither is "white".

i understand that people have died and die becuase of racism. i think you are misunderstanding my point, and coming to your own conclusions about what i said, which is good, maybe you should meditate on those conclusions and try to understand why you came to them instead of trying harder to understand my point.

this article is not trying to reach out to people like me at all. the article is only relevent to its author. im sure writting felt good, but it hardly has anything to do with me, unless of course the fact that im "white" means that it has to do with me.

if a "black" person posted a similar article it would be met with criticism, so im just tryin to keep the balance, and ignite converstaion and thought.

also, this may be hard for people who always go with the grain to understand but i can disagree with the point of the article without disagreeing with everything written in it.

oh and i didnt skim through it, i read the whole thing.

[ July 25, 2004: Message edited by: Blatant ]</p>

[RACISM MAN]

the article was written by a white person for white people and it is very on point, and im curioous to see what your point is and also fill me in on your concept of black priveleges, souns interesting.

[Blatant]

every culture has "privelages" within their own culture. its been this way for thousands of years. its simply human.

only in a country like ours where we have so many different cultures and then one dominating culture does it start to become a real problem.

the article would be on point if it didnt have a few major flaws. the biggest of all is the first "code". "Be aware of your whiteness" is not clearly defined, yet the way the article is written it seems to be the cornerstone of all of the "code of ethics". the next big flaw is that it places everyone with white skin into one category, which is very counter-effective, and is just as bad as placing everyone with dark skin into one category.

my point is that the majority of "race" issues tend to exsist only in peoples minds, though there are definate exceptions. for society to be transformed as a collective, people need to start changing their thinking. constantly thinking in terms of "race" and placing people into categorys only furthers "racism".

i think the authors heart is in the right place, but to me the article just isnt on point as everyone else seems to think.

[ July 25, 2004: Message edited by: Blatant ]</p>

[TRON FANON]

don't got time to get into this, but i feel satisfied that i'm relatively spoken for (good looking 'Cry Me a River'/'Racism Man', y'all are most definately on point)

ps: check your PMs Racism Man

[tigress]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Blatant:
im sorry, but that shits dumb.

whoever wrote that is probly just tryin to get props for having written it.

first of all, color only matters to those who choose for it to matter to them.

second of all, people need to learn some world history. people opress people period. white people have opressed white people, white people have opressed colored peoples, colored peoples have opress colored peoples and so and so on. humans are humans, and humans do horrible things. humans also do a lot of good things too.

the world didnt start with america people.<hr></blockquote>

graemlins/yes.gif

[tigress]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RACISM MAN:
if "color only matters to those who choose for it to matter to them" then how do you explain racism, slavery, genocide. etc.<hr></blockquote>
that actually explains it all. if it didnt matter to you then there'd be no such thing as racism etc.

[RACISM MAN]

1. Be aware of your whiteness;
As simple as it may sound, it seems as if many white folks down with Hip-Hop try to avoid the fact that they are white, at all costs. This must stop. Acknowledging your whiteness is an important step in recognizing that regardless of who you are as a person, we come from a lineage steeped in racism and white supremacy. We come from an ancestry of oppression, who’s legacy still lives and breaths in the form of institutionalized racism and countless social and economic injustices. This is what we come from, and that we cannot change. What we can change is what we do about it.

To further elaborate if I may, I beleive he is going through the point that there is no way to escape the history that has placed white people in the best positions for power and wealth, which includes privelege. Which makes harder for people who are negatively affected by racism to let you be "down" wit them because you benifit from their downfall, which is where hip hop was birthed from. The way to get to the point where race doesnt matter is to acknowledge that it matters and work to change the injustices and disadvantages. oh and crystal you totally missed the point, read through again please.

[frank]

Everyone! If I may...

Blatant (and all like-minded D.U.Nationers) if you still don't get it, you're still part of the problem.

Didn't mean to get "mad deep on that ass, son"

And by the way Blatant, read some books and learn how to spell.


...

[ July 25, 2004: Message edited by: Frank N Beans ]</p>

[illest_one]

I think this article was completely true. I esp. think that most of the rules should apply to white people in general and not just within the hip hop realm. White people are always like, "well people are just people" and the "playin field is nearly level now", but it isn't true. Race is a HUGE issue.


AND BLATANT WHAT THJE HELL ARE "BLACK" PRIVILEGES? I haven't had any.

[ July 25, 2004: Message edited by: illest_one ]</p>

[Dusted Don]

Fuck it, just don't use the N-word...whiteys. <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote>You're cold as ice.

[Dusted Don]

Yo Blatant, racism isn't just a state of mind. Black folk can't ignore that they are black, when they walk into a store, they black, go to a job interview, they black, get pulled over, you know they black. It's not just an abstract idea that one can ignore, even if we are one blood some folk just want to categorize a nation. <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote>

[Blatant]

RACISM MAN, i dont benefit from anyones downfall. what, all white people got loot these days? oh, if i aint got loot than im taking my "whiteness" for granted then huh?
and is it not possible to move up in the world without benefiting from someones downfall?

you didnt really elaborate much. i understand what your saying, that generally white poeple have more oppurtunity to gain wealth, but thats not always the case, and i was more wondering the hell "Be aware of your whiteness" is supposed to mean exactly.

Frank N Beans, do you come here to conversate or do you come here to drop one liners that arent funny?

illest one, if you dont realize that all cultures have a comradery with eachother, hence privileges, then you must not socialize much, or you can only understand things in superficial terms and think the word privileges is attached to the word money.

i never suggested that the playing field is nearly level now.

Greene, yes, racism is a state of mind. the outcome of this state of mind is very real though. the reason i say its a state of mind first of all is becuase race to begin with is an incorrect term. technicly the only real definable race when discussing people is the human race, with the few exceptions of cultures that still exsist and live the way they have for the last hundreds or thousands of years, and whos genes remain.

the word is a social term that serves no real technical purpose, and only creates barriers and obstacles for society as a whole.

of course the people who will notice this state of mind the most, and will suffer from the outcome more than others, are minorities. im not saying that anyone should ignore this ever present state of mind that keeps america and the world sick with hatred. everyone should work together to understand the falsities of both the word race, the state of mind that is racism, and placing people into categories.

[ July 26, 2004: Message edited by: Blatant ]</p>

[Souled Out]

Just in case anyone was wondering. the person who wrote this article is a woman - not J-Love from minneapolis

just to clarify


--- the article wasn't meant to be judgmental. It was meant to be thought about and acted on. No one should be getting defensive. But a conversation about it needs to be had.
privelege is often hardest to see by the person who has it. Maybe this can help people start to recognize the invisible privelege that lies at their fingertips. But, one can only hope...

[Hater Dave]

owwww what do women know anyway?

JUST KIDDING!!!!

[mikus]

We need more posts like this.. graemlins/headphones.gif graemlins/peace.gif

[RACISM MAN]

Blatant:
white people can and do benifit from people of colors down fall or stigmatization. I think it is safe to say that YOU blatant caompared to a person of color has not been followed in stores for your race, have not been pulled over for your race or have not been given a job for your race. those are priveleges and benifits you have solely based on your whiteness and your obliviousness to it proves that you have it.

"Be aware of your whiteness"-be aware that people will react, whether you like it or not, to the fact that you are white and that in many peoples eyes you dont have entitlement to this culture that was built by people of color who were oppresed by white systems. Do you see the connection?

ok, yes, the word race and how most have been using it is incorrect, but that doesnt mean that discrimination based on skin color doesnt happen, dont change the subject.

[Jay Bee Thun]

Obviously it was a bitch that wrote the shit.

I'ma come out with "10 Codes of Ethics for Slores in Hip Hop".

[Blatant]

i think your asuming way too much about me, im not oblivious at all.

not being followed, pulled over, and getting a job based on my experience and not my skin color are RIGHTS not privileges or benefits. all people should have those rights. the fact that not all people are always granted those rights, doesnt mean that im benefiting from that. it means that not all people are granted those rights, and we should all work together for equality in all aspects of society. the way i see it, things like this hurt society as a whole therefor how can i benefit from such a thing? from living in a society in which people are treated less than human? that cannot be beneficial to me. you may see it as white people getting special 'privileges' or 'benefits', but you should see those things as rights that each and every person needs to have.

true some people do benefit from others downfall(s), but not in the way you just described.

if i dont have entitlement, than why am i allowed to buy cds and records?

i wasnt trying to change the subject, this IS a discussion about race and racism isnt it?

i thought you would be able to understand the point behind that but i guess i have to explain it further. since the word race is an incorrect term, race is not a reality, and exsists only in peoples minds and the mind of society. therefor racism is a state of mind, that like i said keeps america and the world sick with hatred. i would even go so far as to call it a mental illness, and since i view it this way, i approach it and the subject as such.

[ July 27, 2004: Message edited by: Blatant ]</p>

[RACISM MAN]

you benifit from people being scared of people of color because they are not scared of you. it makes your life easier in comparison to those who are discriminated against. It does not matter if they are rights or not, they have laws against discrimination but that doesnt mean people follow them so you are privelege that you dont have to jump through hoops the same way a person of color does just to feed themselves, let alone accumulate wealth. im not saying you dont have a struggle im just saying that it is undoubtable that race affects everyones struggle and for the majoity of white folks it make sit easier for
them.

Buying cds does not entitle you to be part of any culture, by entitlement i am talking about the fact that in the beginning there was nearly no white people involved, it existed with out their influence and could of sustained itself without the white influence, therefore there is no entitlement for a white person to stake in saying that they should be represented for being major contributors to the birth of this culture.

YES RACE IS A SOCIAL AND FABRICATED TERM THAT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC NOR TRUTHFUL BUT IS DOES NOT DEVALUE ANY OF THE ARGUEMENT THAT DISCRIMNATION BASED ON SKIN COLOR HAPPENS,you are not saying anything new.

this is not a discussion so much about race and racism, if you would have read closer you would have seen that this is a discussion about white privelege and where white people are within this person of color culture.

and whether you choose to acknowledge it or not you benifit from racism and also loose out because of the benifit, its inescapable. sorry.

[CRY]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RACISM MAN:
sorry.<hr></blockquote>

Nice touch.

[RACISM MAN]

thank you

[IgnatiusJReilly]

I've heard it referred to as white privilege.

[Souled Out]

denial is a powerful thing.

the message board does need more posts like this.

[Blatant]

"you benifit from people being scared of people of color because they are not scared of you."

i really had high hopes for the level of conversation that could have taken place until i read that.

oh well i tried.

[CRY]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Blatant:
im sorry, but that shits dumb.

whoever wrote that is probly just tryin to get props for having written it.<hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah. I definitely got the impression you were trying to have a meaningful conversation there.

:rolleyes:

[RACISM MAN]

blatant: a prime example of the effects of white privilege.

[Hater Dave]

White people just need to stop saying things like "fo shizzle my nizzle"

fuck white people
I do.

[Hater Dave]

p.s. I am white.

[a_money]

Two things:

1) I had a white privilege moment, riding my bike home while noticing a very nice set of buttocks. The thought occured to me that in different circumstances not so long ago, I could easily have been beaten/killed for looking too hard at a nice butt.

2) I think Blatant is mostly wrong, and in general I agree with the need for "whiteness encounters" amongst my people, BUT would anyone else agree that defusing white privilege is only part the solution to (a big) part of the problem?

a$

[Blatant]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cry Me A River:


Oh yeah. I definitely got the impression you were trying to have a meaningful conversation there.

:rolleyes: <hr></blockquote>

really? cuz i wasnt at that point in time.

[CRY]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Blatant:
really? cuz i wasnt at that point in time.<hr></blockquote>

yeah. that's obvious. and the fact that you would have even felt that way from the beginning is a clue that you don't take the issue very seriously. so don't pretend to give a shit now. you just like to play devil's advocate and take the opposing side of an argument. why?

[RACISM MAN]

I would have to say that hater dave you are a funny guy, aron $ you are correct with white privilege and your signature is pretty nice.

[Blatant]

oh i take the issue very seriously.

taking the opposing view is a good exercise for the mind. it also gives the other parties involved a chance to understand their own opinoins better.

its sad that the only person willing to discuss it with me isnt able to comprehend that when you put a persons name in front of a paragraph or senetence that those words are directed towards that person. cuz if they cannot understand such a simple thing, than anything i say isnt going to have much meaning to their puny brain.

[naturalelement]

ok, so we all undrstand thr is an undrlyin privlg to bein wht...america was built on it. duh. so whts the next step? we've been hearin it and bitchn bout it (me includd an i'm white)evr since. whns it gonna change? how's it gonna change? aren't those the questions we shld b askn? or do we jst concede to the fact and keep yappn bout somethng evry1 'shld' already knw?

it's sad tht we let the minority of ppl who thrive on ths b.s. 2 continue 2 cement it in2 our consciousnss as somethng we jst 'have' to accept.

chng will naturally happn slowly, but we dn't want our childrn an their childrn to concern thmslvs ovr somethng we CAN take care of. doesn't tht in itslf make it worth the effort?

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Okay. Change. How do you change the fact that a black man in a car is more likely to pulled over/harassed than a white man? That goes back to the police. I know change must be gradual but other than doing what you can individually how can you change something so entrenched in the power structure?

:confused:

[naturalelement]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by IgnatiusJReilly:
Okay. Change. How do you change the fact that a black man in a car is more likely to pulled over/harassed than a white man? That goes back to the police. I know change must be gradual but other than doing what you can individually how can you change something so entrenched in the power structure?

:confused: <hr></blockquote>

i'm sayin dude.

i guess w/ the police, like evrythng else it goes to the highr powr. who lets thm get away w/ it? why is it ok? i nevr said i have the answers...thus the all questions i put up. u c whr i'm comin frm? but i thnk we have to lay out all the questions frst...seek out alternatives and develop a plan. like u said, ea individual has to brng somethng...in thmslvs an also out 4 evry1 else. we can all learn frm each othr.

[headphonestatic]

white people smell like hot dog water

[deathintransit]

Here's a hint that Blatant won't be saying anything meaningful. Look at the first line of his signature. Fuck you. Sexism is just as bad as racism.

[jake keeler]

you are all dumb and weak.

Nature will rise and kill all of you, white,black, yellow, magenta, and blue.

especially the ones who listen to rapping music.

die motherfuckers.

[kiba]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by IgnatiusJReilly:
Okay. Change. How do you change the fact that a black man in a car is more likely to pulled over/harassed than a white man? That goes back to the police. I know change must be gradual but other than doing what you can individually how can you change something so entrenched in the power structure?

:confused: <hr></blockquote>

why would they more likely pull over an african american?

[kiba]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by nicatina:


^^that looks like my dog that died when I was 14, she was also 14 and my other dog in the same breed is 13 and blind so he won't be lasting much longer, i want a new puppy to make me happy...

anyways i just skimmed through it. i'm white and listen to hip hop and have never really cared what i do or what people think of me but most of the people who know me or have met me can see that i'm just being myself and that i have lots of love and respect for hip hop as a complete artform. it just sucks that some people have to be reminded not to take things for granted, be mindful of things that they do or have respect for things; be it religion, differences, and even hip hop culture... but sometime i don't know what i'm talking about so you all can probably just disregard al of my rambling since i didn't get any sleep last night and have been at work since 4am... peace...<hr></blockquote>

yeah this og post is just wishful thinking. all the people who really need to read it wont see it or will breeze past it. or dont have acess or concern. its like ask not what hip hop can do for you but.....

[Blatant]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by deathintransit:
Here's a hint that Blatant won't be saying anything meaningful. Look at the first line of his signature. Fuck you. Sexism is just as bad as racism.<hr></blockquote>

everything I say is meaningful.