I can't wait to rock the toolie legally next month!!!

[Jay Bee]

Wordup to to the hanggun bill.. bang, bang has so many meanings now.

[naturalelement]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jay Bee:
Wordup to to the hanggun bill.. bang, bang has so many meanings now.<hr></blockquote>

do you even think b4 you come up w/ this sh*t?

[Passing Glimpse]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by naturalelement:


do you even think b4 you come up w/ this sh*t?<hr></blockquote>

[Passing Glimpse]

Here's the story...


Posted on Tue, Apr. 29, 2003

Handgun permit bill passes, becomes law
BY JOHN WELSH
Pioneer Press


OLIVIA NISBET, PIONEER PRESS

David Behsman, left, of Coon Rapids and David Murley of Apple Valley laid out their pro-handgun positions on Monday to Sarah Foman of Mendota Heights, who opposes the bill.


Law-abiding Minnesotans who want the right to pack handguns in public won their final battle Monday as Gov. Tim Pawlenty signed a bill requiring sheriffs to grant permits to most adults who seek them.

The signing came within hours after the Senate passed the measure 37-30 following an emotional 7½-hour debate. The bill becomes law in 30 days.

"I'm extremely happy,'' said Joe Olson, president of the pro-gun Concealed Carry Reform Now, which formed seven years ago to fight for the bill. "When all this smoke blows away this will be seen as a very good law and there will be no problems with the permit holders.''

Pawlenty's signature was expected. He had praised the bill during his radio program Friday, saying it provides a uniform system for state residents seeking to acquire handgun permits.

The bill eliminates a requirement for people who want a permit to demonstrate a need to carry a gun for their job or personal safety. State officials say the change could lead to as many as 50,000 new permits in the first year.

But the measure also toughens some requirements in existing law: Permit holders will no longer be allowed to take their guns onto school grounds, and people convicted of certain violent felonies, such as murder or sexual assault, will never be allowed to have permits. Now, they just have to wait 10 years after their parole ends.

Republicans and rural Democratic-Farmer-Laborites teamed up to pass the measure opposed by DFL leaders.

The outcome was expected, but DFL senators fought the bill by bringing up numerous objections during the debate.

They asked whether a twice-convicted drunken driver should be granted a permit. They asked whether the bill would let permit holders take their guns inside churches, or to the State Fair. They even asked if a local sheriff could consider certain murder trial evidence if O.J. Simpson ever applied for a permit here.

But the core of the debate was whether Minnesota's residents wanted to join the majority of states, which have easier access to handgun permits.

"With passage of this bill we take a step toward worsening Minnesota's culture and a step toward increasing violence,'' said Sen. Steve Kelley, DFL-Hopkins.

Said Republican Minority Leader Dick Day: "Have a little faith in the people. I don't think it's going to be the Wild West.''

Monday's action marks the second big victory this month for Republicans on red-hot social issues: first abortion, now guns. In both cases, House Republicans attached their legislation to mundane bills already passed by the Senate and sent them back to the other chamber for a vote. The controversial tactic meant the Senate could not amend the bills; its only choice was to approve them or send them into a conference committee for further negotiations.

In the case of the gun legislation, the House attached the measure to a bill dealing with natural resource regulations, including identification on icehouses.

Republicans said the tactic was necessary because the gun and abortion bills were supported by a majority of the Senate but blocked by unfriendly committees. DFL leaders said it was an abuse of the legislative process.

But even though senators couldn't offer amendments, the tactic didn't seem to shorten the debate, or stop some of the political theater.

At the start of the session Monday morning, senators climbed the elegant staircase in front of their chamber flanked by noisy advocates on each side waving signs. By dinnertime, when the final vote was near, half a dozen senators were wearing bulletproof vests as they rose to speak against the bill.

Geography played a big role in Monday's debate and vote. Rural members representing areas where guns mean hunting and family tradition generally supported the measure; urban members, where guns mean violence in city neighborhoods, spoke passionately against it. In the end, seven rural DFLers voted for the bill and two suburban Republicans — Sens. Bill Belanger of Bloomington and Geoff Michel of Edina — voted against it.

"I have a district where our babies are being shot,'' said Sen. Linda Berglin, DFL-Minneapolis, whose district includes the South Minneapolis neighborhood where three teenage girls were shot in a drive-by incident last week. "Rest assured, more guns will not make us safer. None of you will be safer in my district if you bring a gun there, and the children will not be safer.''

Proponents said the bill was needed because the current law gives too much discretion to police chiefs and sheriffs about who gets permits. In some rural counties, just about every applicant is granted one, but in the Twin Cities most police chiefs are more stringent.

"For the first time this puts the citizen in charge of whether or not they think they need a permit for their personal protection,'' said Sen. Pat Pariseau, R-Farmington, the sponsor of the bill.

She dismissed the fears of opponents who said the bill will lead to increased gun violence, saying that did not happen in other states with similar laws. "It has not caused road rage shootouts or other silly scenarios opponents say it will,'' Pariseau said. "None of us want the bad guys to get permits. We only want stable, competent adults who are well-trained.''


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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/politics/5739105.htm

[substance]

I think it's a good bill.....You'll always have idiots and hopefully they shoot each other.....All I know that in the long run if 6 out of 10 people are packin'.Alot less robberies and crime are going to happen.....Speaking from a criminal stand point most criminals don't want to bring in the gun factor...

mY 2 cents today....could change tomorrow though....


Substance

[Jay Bee]

Wordlife.. a few of these knucklehead 14 yr olds doing stupid crimes will get shot and hopefully some others will go.. 'oh shit, maybe I shouldn't do dumb shit'..

I aint been jumped in about 8 years, but there's time in my past where I would have loved to blasted the face of punks...

the only problem is when I be gettin too drunk I might pull the gat too often but oh well fuck it.

[naturalelement]

so the bill could dfntly b worse. i thnk we faired well, but more access to guns means more will end up in the wrng hands and people will die. mybe some of thm sould go, but i dnt really thnk i'm the person to make that call.

but i also love guns, i have 3--they're for trap shtng--so make fun or whtvr, i don't hate on guns this lglsng just scares me a bit.

[substance]

That's been a significant argument throughout that they will fall into the wrong hands....What makes one think that the "wrong hands" don't already have illegal guns....Atleast this way they can make gun laws more extreme for people that don't have a license to carry or conceal.I'd rather have guns in the hands of law abiding people then the criminals....Atleast the normal people have a chance now.....There's definately going to be the idiots who take it to far.....We need to get rid of them anyway.....

Peace Substance

[SonRa]

sounds great,,seems great. theyre great reasons to be holding heat in means of saftey. But in general people are not logical enough to handle the life/death judgement you are forced to deal with everytime you hold a firearm. Many will die that are not suppose to. Many guns will fall into hands that normally are not meant to be held in. Others still may say that now the good people should be allowed to carry weapons. In a civil civilization no one should publicly conceal firearms. Passing this in congress only proves that we are loosing the war against ourselves. as people the human race we are failing in general to create safe envirments. "well if everyone has a gun then it would be safe) fuck that next spring break take a visit to Columbia instead of Fort Meyers and see the real armed world. And this is not some John Wayne movie this is real! people down there get capped while theyre ordering food at MacDonalds. This is just my instant take on this so dont think Im preaching. I also understand that their are advantages to packing , but TODAY to me it seems that the disadvantaged out weigh them. peace

[substance]

Yes grasshopper,but one would also say that not providing the right to have firearms would be against our 2nd or 3rd admendment right.....Some also may be inclined to label that as a view not for freedom ,but from safety of the unknown.

I just feel like debating,because masterbating is looked down upon at work......

Peace SonRa


Substance graemlins/deal.gif

[Will Smith]

i can't wait to try to talk to an old woman and get shot in the face 'cause she thought i was gonna jack some old shit from her old ass.

but i don't know, maybe i would steal her old shit, who knows?

[SonRa]

I know a ex DJ who pawned his tables and walked into Galyans bought a peice, then drove out to the feild past Cody and Coles place. He didnt even shut his car off. Its not the unknown. Its when people act like people. We as people have huge flaws= so to often our emotions highjack our own thoughts. this has happened to me and anyone who is reading this. Ive done some crazy ass shit in my life, that if I would have been clear and calm I would have reacted different. And Amendments? fuck rights! you only have what they feel like giving you in that particular moment. Rights ha! If you wanna live by the books you better have some extra cake for the lawyers.(the only ones who have a chance to help) Remember when that cop beat my ass for freestyling in the Daytons/Radison parking ramp. That day changed my life. The only one above the law is the law! That day didnt I have some kind of speech right or something? What was that one? amendment number one or was it amendment zero or what.

[substance]

Son Ra on the militant tip.....Word up ,I remember both those things you spoke of,but the kid you talking about purchased a rifle....Handguns still need 7 days to be checked out....There's the time your looking for to make a logical decision....Still that was a very unfortunate thing....Very bad.Peace to him and his family.....


That cop that stopped you was on some totally different shit.He seen that we were having fun and wanted to take that away.....He should be shot....


Get ahold of me this weekend.We'll talk about something a little more intresting.....


PEace SUbstance

[SonRa]

Substance hit me up today. Illbe at work untill the early afternoon. Then Im coming home to plan my day. + I think the De La show is coming up soon!

[RUserious????]

I think eventually it's gonna get out of control. Good luck everybody. graemlins/peace.gif

[TheBookOfAnts]

Guns are bad news. With legality comes increased circulation. For instance, if pot was made legal, damn near everyone would smoke it. A large sum of people don't smoke pot because it is illegal (ignoring the bullshit that is spread on tv/radio). The same thing will prove to be true with firearms. As long as it is legal, people will have no inhibitions about purchasing and circulating. The second amendment is outdated. It refers to a time period in which people needed to protect themselves against wild animals and similar threats. Different historical contexts. Minnesota is the 36th some state to pass a similar law, and all i can think about is what direction is our society heading? What will increased firearm availability mean in the face of Racial Tensions caused by OverPatriotism?

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TheBookOfAnts:
Guns are bad news. With legality comes increased circulation. For instance, if pot was made legal, damn near everyone would smoke it. The same thing will prove to be true with firearms. <hr></blockquote>

I have to confess, this is true. Since abortion was legalized, I've been getting one every week. Sometimes twice. I just thank God heroin is still against the law, otherwise I'd do it every day, right after my school prayers and ATV riding in state parks.

a$

[Will Smith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aaron Money:


I have to confess, this is true. Since abortion was legalized, I've been getting one every week. Sometimes twice. I just thank God heroin is still against the law, otherwise I'd do it every day, right after my school prayers and ATV riding in state parks.

a$<hr></blockquote>

graemlins/yes.gif

[Patrick Bateman]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aaron Money:


I have to confess, this is true. Since abortion was legalized, I've been getting one every week. Sometimes twice. I just thank God heroin is still against the law, otherwise I'd do it every day, right after my school prayers and ATV riding in state parks.

a$<hr></blockquote>

I had 5 abortions this morning and another 3 after I clean & fix my hanger. graemlins/lol.gif

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Aaron Money:


I have to confess, this is true. Since abortion was legalized, I've been getting one every week. Sometimes twice. I just thank God heroin is still against the law, otherwise I'd do it every day, right after my school prayers and ATV riding in state parks.

a$<hr></blockquote>

PS-to any of the ladies or fellas here who have actually had to deal with abortion, I don't mean to make fun of your experience, but I thought it was the best way to make my point.

a$

[RaskalJay]

Personally I think the concealed carry law is a decent idea, but Pawlenty'stupid fucking ass didnt think it through....

I think there needs to be a lot more training and background checks...I had firearms training for rifles and shotguns and it was like 6 weeks long....

I am sincerely worried about these trigger happy glory hounds trying to save the day and accidentally shoot the wrong person or start a fire-fight....

Or the vigilantes that are sure to pop up and take the law into their own hands?

I am also worried about dumbfucks shooting themselves not knowing what they are doing...

So ask yourselves this regardless if you are or are not going to pack heat....

#1 How are you planning on protecting yourself and your loved ones against the 90,000 estimated people out there? Accidents do happen...

#2 What are you going to do if you happen to have an accident and shoot someone's loved one, or yourself?

Also, did you know if you are more than 21 feet from your "assailant" and you use lethal force you can be charged with manslaughter or even murder????

The DA will ask why you didnt flee an go after you for all you are worth....

So before you get all giddy about your ability to carry a concealed handgun, realize the responsibility that is involved, and that playing cowboy or fucking "gangsta" will result in tragic circumstances if you dont get the proper training and understanding....

I guess I am considering obtaining a permit to protect myself from some dumbass playing cowboy taking advantage of the priviledge and protect my family....It is scary as well the kind of world my unborn child will be brought into, but I guess he/she will see in August.....

[a_money]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by J-13 The Caucasian Sensation:
Personally I think the concealed carry law is a decent idea, but Pawlenty'stupid fucking ass didnt think it through....

Also, did you know if you are more than 21 feet from your "assailant" and you use lethal force you can be charged with manslaughter or even murder????

<hr></blockquote>

Word the fuck up, J. I can't believe Pawlenty is cutting police, EMT and fire budgets and telling people not to get arrested since it costs too much money, and then saying OK to the administrative costs of this permit program.
That shit is weak.
And you're right. You can't use your gun in public. You can't take it out, you can't fire it, and most people shouldn't be trusted to use one in high pressure circumstances. I can see Tony Save 'Em trying to pull out during a convenience store robbery and shooting himself in the fucking leg.

Not to mention that your odds of being a gun-related crime victim are literally a million to one in the first place.

The whole damn world is crazy.

a$